CITY OF AUBURN PLUMBING BOARD
TUESDAY, OCTOBER 9, 2007
Members Present: Mr. Orman
Member Absent: Mr. Lilly
Mr. Siracusa: Meeting called to order. I would like to introduce our new board member, Bill Orman. Must have taken my place, right Carl? (Everyone laughs) the meeting was called to accept applications for the Plumbing test, Carl has the schedule.
Mr. Castiglione: If you application is accepted the written test will be given next week on Tuesday, October 16, 2007 at 8:00 a.m. third floor training room. It is a four-hour test from 8:00 a.m. to 12:00 noon, meet me at my office and I will take you up. If you pass that the practical test will be on Logan Street the old Water Department at 8:00 a.m. the following week October 23, 2007. If you pass both you are required now to take out a license for one year then we go inactive, you have to take out a license for one year whether you work or not. If you are working with a licensed plumber you have to take your license out for one year and the second year you go inactive.
Mr. Bianco: If they have to take out a license then they are required to carry insurance and comp.
Mr. Castiglione: Yes, not comp, unless they have people working for them they have to carry liability.
Mr. Bianco: If someone is going to take the test and he has to take out the license then they have to be in business right?
Mr. Castiglione: Right.
Mr. Bianco: So why do they take the test? They don’t desire to be in business.
Mr. Castiglione: What do you mean, why do they take the test?
Mr. Bianco: Because these guys, they have jobs, they are going to have to get business license, have to insurance and comp and pay the fee.
Mr. Castiglione: Comp they don’t have to carry. They can’t get a license unless they show proof of insurance.
Mr. Bianco: I want you to understand this if they have to carry all this information all these extra fees they have not known about it.
Mr. Castiglione: That is the way it is. That is what you had to do and that is what Billy had to do. Liability insurance is million-dollar minimum.
Mr. Siracusa: Has any body else received this information Carl who has applications now that were given out?
Mr. Castiglione: There were 5 or 6 applications beside these two gentlemen, there were 5 or 6 applications that given out, I asked Kim who they were, I am not in the office, she didn’t know, five guys and one girl pulled applications.
Mr. Siracusa: Has the application been changed that you have to have a license for a year in order to get permit in the City of Auburn you have to have your license and insurance?
Mr. Castiglione: If you pass both tests automatically you have to come in and draw your license. You have to come in and show your insurance
Mr. Siracusa: I realize that but we never had the guys do this before.
Mr. Castiglione: What do you mean never had to do it before?
Mr. Siracusa: Somebody could get an inactive license when they took the test, we never any body come in and if you went into business, yes you had to have this, we never forced them to go into business.
Mr. Castiglione: I will have to look, I think it has changed.
Mr. Bianco: There is something wrong there. Unless somebody changed it but it was never that way.
Mr. Siracusa: I want to be fair to the other guys too, you don’t know who they are?
Mr. Castiglione: No. Apparently they took out the application and couldn’t’ meet their eight years; eight years involved here, five and three. If they can’t meet those criteria don’t waste my time and don’t waste their time. Don’t come to the meeting and say I worked for this guy, is he licensed, no, but he has been in business for 30 years, know what I am saying?
Mr. Bianco: I know what you are saying.
Mr. Castiglione: Apparently they looked at that and couldn’t meet those criteria so they are not here.
Mr. Bianco: OK.
Mr. Castiglione: I will check on that, Jane check on that if they pass the test they have to get a license. We will check on that but I think that was changed.
Mr. Siracusa: There is one other thing I noticed I thought we went over the applications to verify everything and this is here next week October 16.
Mr. Castiglione: We go over the applications tonight.
Mr. Siracusa: You have the applications? Just these two applications?
Mr. Castiglione: We take them into the other room, we did it last year. They took their written test and the following week they took the practical.
Mr. Siracusa: Those people that got the applications that we don’t know their names
Mr. Castiglione: If they are not at this meeting
Mr. Siracusa: We are not opening up again like we did the last time after the fact?
Mr. Bianco: Exactly.
Mr. Castiglione: Just that one gentleman
Mr. Siracusa: Right the last time. If they are not present this evening they cannot take the test.
Mr. Castiglione: Right.
Mr. Siracusa: That is what I wanted to clear up.
Mr. Castiglione: That is what this meeting is for. Billy in Onondaga County you have to be there right?
Mr. Orman: You have to be there.
Mr. Castiglione: If you are not there, that is it, right?
Mr. Orman: That is right.
Mr. Castiglione: That is the rule.
Mr. Orman: The apprentice and journeyman qualifications to take the test do they have to be a registered journeyman under a licensed plumber working in the City of Auburn?
Mr. Castiglione: Yes, five years as an apprentice and three years under a Master.
Mr. Siracusa: Not in the City of Auburn, he can be a journeyman some place else
Mr. Castiglione: Oh yes. If he worked under a licensed plumber in Onondaga County or Rochester oh yes he can come in and take the test. The test right now is statewide.
Mr. Orman: And the certification for journeyman if he worked in the City of Auburn all he needs is the journeyman’s card through the City?
Mr. Castiglione: Yes that makes it easy.
Mr. Bianco: Billy your shop doesn’t take cards out for the guys?
Mr. Orman: We don’t get cards
Mr. Bianco: You pay fees?
Mr. Orman: Pay a fee every year.
Mr. Castiglione: That is on record, that makes it easy, you want to check on some one I tell Kim, she puts it in the computer and she can tell, that is what it is for.
Mr. Siracusa: If these are the only two, do want to go over the paperwork?
Mr. Castiglione: Yes, that is our next move, take their applications and go over them.
Mr. Siracusa: We will be out in two minutes.
We are back with the applications. Joe we have got to find out what constitutes a week’s work, number 1, number Steve is going to have to go back into his books, look up the hours and sign a paper saying that you had these hours and notarize it. Also the application both of you, it says right on the front of it, please attach a notarized affidavit confirming the employment so both of you have to get affidavits from your contractors saying that this is right and also it has to be notarized on both of them. So what we are going to do we are going to meet next week again to verify this here and everything else, and in the meantime Steve is going to be looking that up, and you will have to come up with the affidavits
saying you worked these hours and make sure it is signed, sealed and notarized.
Joe who gave you this application?
Mr. Blumerick: Down at the Codes Office.
Mr. Siracusa: There are two pages to the application.
Mr. Blumerick: No the other page was instructions so I tore it off.
Mr. Siracusa: Oh, you tore it off, you had it.
Mr. Blumerick: Yes.
Mr. Castiglione: It gives you the rules and regulations on one page and gives you the fees on the back page and all your information.
Mr. Siracusa: We are going to meet next Tuesday, same time at 6:00 p.m. to verify this here.
Meeting adjourned to Tuesday, October 16, 2007 at 6:00 p.m..